Minor bug report: I had the Lucky power. I clicked on the "reroll" icon to reroll the items in a chest. The icon disappeared but the items didn't change.
My first lv 5 win! Yayyyy! Spooky Haunted Team for the win. And a full Technical team too!
I started with Woad and Gheist, which I love more and more the more I play, and the Haunted power helped a lot. I was not that lucky with the items (are the strong ones harder to find in lv 5 mode?), but I did find the Higgsomething Crest soon enough and slapped it on Woad to give back some dmg.
Later on I found my beloved Wyrmlet and the dmg ramped up from there. Finding Wyrmlet later is better than starting with it, since the first stage is quite fragile, very often. Later I found the Magus Hat and Wyrmlet benefitted a lot from it. And merged with the Repulsor gave a lot of Def to everyone!
Voss came close to destroy me, VERY close, but I snatched the win! :D YAY!
Lv5 is VERY hard, but it is supposed to be that way, so I think it's fine. There are some combinations that don't seem to work at that level though, at least without finding good items immediately.
Oh, it's good to mention that I did give almost every food to Woad and only later to Wyrmlet too, to ramp up its Int. Gheist was my good supportive buddy (even if it's technical, lol), but basically starved all the way XD But it's fine. It's a ghost, it doesn't need to eat! :P
Jokes aside, I really think Haunted team works quite well. And Gheist seems weak but it's not. Curse is very strong and comboes well with the Higgsomething Crest, making Woad a Judo Master using the enemies strenght against them XD
I started with Chikia and Scutter for the Tactician and "just 'cause" and it went very well! This time I got very lucky with the items though, and the events were positive or neutral, so it was ok.
Even if it's aggressive, Scutter can take some blows. Later on Scutter and Kabu made the shield of the team while Chikia ramped up some dmg with the Finisher.
I was SO lucky I found not one but TWO Iron Will! XD I sacrificed Kabu 's and Chikia's Abilities but they were often immune to dmg, which was great.
One key decision was to give Twin Claw to Scutter, so that it could attack two enemies at the same time, for crowd control.
A good run. It's fair to note that, before this, I lost like 4 or 5 in the first zone XD
In calamity mode, it's often "die early or die at the end".
I was quite surprised to win this run. I did not think Chikia could work this well, but it did. Very often I had to divide the dmg the enemies did: a little bit to Kabu and a little bit to Scutter. Doing so, very often the two of them attacked different enemies, which was annoying and not optimal. Chikia helped with that redirecting the attacks.
Only towards the end I gave Chikia the Iron Will, because against the final boss it was not that important (I found the spiky dragon one).
Thanks, I like to change stuff and try new things. Your game is very deep, it's very fun to find new combos. I hope I'm not bothering with my posts and comments. I usually binge-play games for some days before changing and now it's Vanguard Monsters turn :P I wanted to share my thoughts, both for the joy of sharing and as a thank you for putting this up on web for free.
I'm a game designer too (but for tabletop rpgs) and I'm always happy when people take time to give me some feedback, telling me what they like, what they would like to see, what doesn't work and what does work pretty well.
If I have time, maybe in a few days I'll make a "final" post with my general thoughts of the game, before disappearing or, at least, stop making this comment section my own notebook XD ^^''''
Thanks again! It's also very nice to see the developer(s?) take time to answer the comments! :D
Third Calamity Win! And PB time record for calamity.
I'll be brief: Started with Woad and Hydrim for nature combo and later on luckily found Mabek in a random egg (not chosen paying mana).
It was already strong with the mass healing of nature, but then Spooky got in and boy it was a good run. Not perfect like the other one, but I really find fun the spooky team, like already said. Mabek could be my favorite for design, and Woad for gameplay. It's very interesting to use.
Got lucky enough with the items too.
The spiky dragon final boss could almost do nothing! Too much healing!
In general, I feel that the meta on calamity requires builds that are not ALL aggressives. It just doesn't work. Or at least not for me. There is the need of some hard monster able to take dmg, or some combos that heal A LOT. Or something like that.
This team is very well balanced, I feel. Supportive, Aggressive and Technical, with Nature and Haunted.
And another Calamity Win B-))) I'm getting the hang of this hard mode now.
Magical team for the win.
I started with Karakai and Pyris for Magical combo and it went very well. Pyris can do some very good crowd control with its Ignite and Karakai takes dmg while lowering def and damaging around. Later on I was lucky enough to find Heart of the Sea and Scutter in an Aggressive Egg, so I had Aquatic too.
In general, it was very good. Good items, good combos. I feel like Scutter did not do that much, and the protagonists were Pyris and Karakai.
Karakai is really strong. I find it works well choosing "Calcify" and "Unleashed". The other abilities seem fine, but these feel better. Especially Unleashed.
Love this little Godzilla baby <3 It's one of my favorites for sure.
Initially it happened to me too, but I saw that if you switch it at the right moment with another monster you can barely win without it dying. This happens very often, on calamity, for me. I put a "shield monster" to take most or all the dmg, I keep a strong dmg-dealer in the back and then, when the shield one is going to die, I switch them to avoid that. The poison is hella tricky because you have to switch them before, or divide the dmg.
I hate the little poison monsters. They are the worst XD
Very often, I find them more difficult than the "elite" ones.
Are there monsters with which you don't have this problem? Other bulky ones? Maybe Woad with a supporter that heals it? Healing is another strat I found that works well against them
Tuskal just shreds most things. With karakei both monster die, I too do the switch thing snail and bug tank are fine but with karakei I have to switch too early he simply is not as tanky against poison so both die.
Skimander frontrow damage scales insanely with speed not as holistic as tuskal but I think it can be more powerfull.
With my skimander builds I usually killed myself in recent runs either to the switch debuff or leeches because his damage was so insane.
Yeah, Tuskal is broken, I was thinking "monsters aside from it" XD
I don't know, I find Karakai very good in general, but against poison for sure Slagg and Kabu are easier to use thanks to their comebacks mechanic, I agree. But if you have someone that gives enough dmg, with Karakai, against anyone else Karakai really shines, tanking lots of stuff with its enormous Def.
Skimander I agree it's awesome! Tricky to use, but awesome. Love it with Chip to do Rumble dmg and stun around.
Level 5 difficulty. Battle against the cannon boss who becomes stronger and stronger. I had Urso 3' stage with Shattershard. I chose "Shakeoff" as his 3' stage ability.
Basically, everytime I was hit by the cannon boss and I should have died, I didn't. My theory is that, even if it hit me with 500+ damage, the 25hp heal of Shakeoff activated before death, letting me staying alive indefinitely.
Question (bug?). The storm event gives you the option to lower 5% health to gain +1 Mana regen. When I choose it, I always lose more than 5%, if I'm counting correctly.
I had Chip with around 670 health and I lost around 124. Isn't 5% around 33& or something like that? Am I missing something? I did not have any item who gave it health. And this happened in the past.
Don't know if I'm bad at math or if the event is not working as written. In doubt, I report it.
Question: Are you planning on making a sub-reddit for the game? It could be fun :) I know you recently set up the discord and I was wondering if reddit was interesting to you.
Random Idea: I did not have the chance to use it but... Silent Vow + Ripper = Infinite Rip stack? Does it work that way? I never use Silent Vow because I understood it doesn't let you cast anymore (I think?), but reading the effect of Ripper gave me this idea. Dunno. Hope I can find them together and try to merge them during a run.
Yea, you will not cast while using silent vow unless you have other effects that generate mana such as Hydrim, or Energy Banner etc. That's a combo I had not considered but it sounds really awesome
Ooooh, now I understand. From the wording, I thought that silent vow "set the mana regen to 0" despite every possible bonus. So it just sets the base one. That's different. I was never using it because I thought it automatically and always block casting.
Uhm... I used Silent Vow while having the Magical combination, but it didn't work. The monster didn't gain mana. Is it right that way? I don't understand how it's supposed to work from the wording.
This is correct, Mana Regen is set to 0, even from other items. You can still gain mana through items and abilities that directly give it though. Like Energy banner says all adjacent monsters gain 2 mana, that is unaffected because it is not regen.
Ahhh now I understand. Mana regen and mana "gain" are two separate stacks. I see.
Is there a way to see how much mana regen a monster have? I still don't understand if there is. It could be handy to calculate how much time is needed to cast, sometimes, especially on calamity mode, where one mistake is fatal.
A fun run indeed. I wanted to start with Parra and Karakai to try the Magical combination. And it's... magical! The +1 mana regen is great and the +10 dmg not bad at all with Parra's zephyr mechanic. Karakai is also very durable and with items like shattershard or what's it called is... amazing. So much dmg from its defense.
Very fun. Also easier than I thought.
I found Skimander later and I was not happy in the beginning (I love its mechanic and design, but I did not think it was gonna work with the first two monsters), but I made it work with a nice help: I merged the Hunger Armor with the Living Seed, so that it could heal everyone. Combo that with its ability to heal itself while in the backrow... well, heal everywhere! It's great.
I've already said it in another comment, but I repeat: I very often find myself ending with three final stage monsters. I struggle to use less than three and more than four. Does it happen to someone else?
Another Magical run, with Ignis and Parra. I found Krog later. In general, I enjoyed it less then the precedent one. It was more difficult, in the sense that it didn't combo that much between monster's effects. It was nice to have Parra's Tailwind help Ignis spread the fire, though.
Not much to say, except that Dragon Scale is amazing and Hunger Armor is very hard not to pick when I find it. That thing makes you immortal.
Oh, also, when I find the black snake pact dealer, I almost always choose the wisdom pact, because the other ones are hard to use. You have to have very specific teams for the other ones. Or at least this is what I feel.
So yea the general trend or meta atm is 3 tier 3 monsters. Im considering further buffing 4-monster synergies to open up the potential of larger teams, cause the sheer stats of tier 3 monsters is hard to pass up. Also Im glad to see magic teams too, theyre a fun challenge :D
Third run, third win. I'm getting the hang of it. Soon I will try harder difficulty modes.
Anyway, I wanted to try Urso, which is very weird, but also interesting. It does not seem that strong, and I don't think it's the best one, but its Gourmet or what's it called it's surprisingly strong on the long run. It is a risk, since you have to give everything to it, but damn if it becomes a murder machine. And a bulky one too.
I gave it a Vorpal Blade (+ Root because I had it, lol) and it hit HARD.
A team of heavy hitters, capable of taking blows. Myke Tyson squad basically. I only took a wound in the final battle against Voss.
Anyway, I still think Urso is not the greatest (and probably one of the worse, I think), but in general I think the game is pretty balance, from what I've seen. In the sense that no monster is absolutely useless or unplayable.
I found not one, but two Pulverizer in the first 4 tiles of the run and I slapped them on Chip and Tuskal. Later on, I merged them in a Mega Pulverizer, gave Replica to Chip and BOOM, two monsters with Mega Pulverizer. Nothing stood a chance. Nothing. I lost one wound just because I chose to do so during an event, lol. Tuskal is OP. It just pulverized everything on its path. It's amazing. With a monster to take the few hits that pass through before Tuskal destroys everything, it's already strong, but it's also able to stand some blows by itself and becomes more powerful for that.
Just... woah.
For sure S tier. I'm simply speechless. I've already seen it in a past run, but this one just totally convinced me of its power.
This was a very interesting run. I wanted to try out Wyrmlet, which I was not very familiar with. Its first stage is quite weak, I feel, but damn if it grows. I instinctively raised up its Int since its active ability works with this stat, and I'm SO happy I did that. I can not be sure, but if the abilities you can choose when it evolves are always the same, I feel that Int could be the best option. Magical Acceleration + Power Overflow is great. On top of that it's magical, so if you pair it up you obtain even more mana regen.
And here is the sacred mega combo I used in this run: BONE RING + CIRCLET OF ACUITY!!! Wyrmlet just continuously casted. Countinuously. And with 150+ Int and Power Overflow it just kept destroying everything.
I won even after messing up my route and missing a Shard to upgrade Karakai.
Final Boss Note: Humble feedback. I think the tentacle final boss is the easiest one of the three. The spiky dragon and Voss are quite scary sometimes, but I've never had much trouble against cthulu's brother. But maybe there are some builds that suffer against it and I'm missing them by luck, dunno.
Anyway, very interesting indeed, Wyrmlet. I thought it was weak, since the first runs I could not go very far with him, but now that I'm getting the hang of the game, I understand its power.
I have to admit, I struggle a bit with Chikia. It looks strong on paper, but I don't know, it does not totally convince me. Maybe it's just not my thing. I have to try the swap combos with it, though.
I managed to win this run, but I lost two before to try Chikia. It seems very weak on the early stage. It can manage to do a lot of damage, but it's weird. Not easy to set up.
So with Chikia, 2 of his abilities lend towards larger teams. Both the active and the tier 3 abilities are stronger the more monsters you have on your side. Whether or not that is enough to make him feel as strong as the others Im not sure though :D
I'm having some trouble with level 4 difficulty. The closest I've been so far it's final boss against Voss, losing here. I even had double moonbeam on Karakai, but it was not enough. Damn XD
It's hard. I'll try again. I can't imagine the level 5! I'm not a hardcore roguelike gamer, but I humbly think I'm good enough with them (beaten all of Slay the Spire before and games as that).
But it was with Tuskal, lol. It's also my absolute record for ""speedrun"" and no wounds suffered. And I didn't even have great items. I had a Energy Charm + Ripper, which is not so much. I just gave lots of food to Tuskal, lol. Slagg also helped taking the bront of damage most of the time. I found egyptian croc god later by chance and I messed up: I did not have enough mana to get a superior mana crystal (I had 147 mana! Ncunwecuaicuebxevrincaienqvunveovwyaho!) so I got an egg and found Oadd or what's it called. But that did not matter because Tuskal, of course. Lol.
Yeah, Tuskal is broken... The most broken thing about it, aside from sheer strenght, is the fact that its ability gives Super. I could almost use it every battle, at a certain point, because it recharged very fast!
Yay! I managed to win level 4 difficulty without Tuskal and with a bizarre team. I struggle way more than with Tuskal, of course, but I feel it was a good strategy. I started with Mabek and Gheist and the Spooky ability helped a lot. I found Krogg later and used it as a shield and sacrifice for Mabek.
In the beginning I was planning on using Gheist as a sacrifice, since it's almost designed to die with its last ability (which I did not take), but Krogg's ability gets better if it misses health, so I wanted it to be the shield and take damage for the team. It worked well.
I always manage to find Circlet of Acuity, in some way or another. It's the legendary item I find most of the time. I dropped it on Gheist to curse a lot (in more than one way XD). It worked well against the spiky dragon final boss.
I love Spooky team. It's very fun to not care about monsters dying, or at least care a little bit less, thanks to the POWER OF SPOOKY NECROMANCY >:)
I'll count this as my actual first 4 lv win, since the last one I "cheated" with Tuskal
Minor "bug" report: Sometimes, when I find myself into a fight through an event or not from the map, I can't see the attack lines between enemies and monsters. Luckily, changing a monster's place makes me see them again. Nothing major, but I wanted to report it.
Also, minor feedback/suggestion: I would love an option to see the map even before starting a fight or choosing one of the options of the events, or buying/forging stuff. In a game like this planning ahead is important and sometimes I forget what the map looked like and I can't see it in those moments. I don't know if it's by design or if I'm missing the option to do so, but I don't like it very much, I have to say XD
I also noticed that, in the fullscreen mode, the icon that shows the cooldown to swap monster is in the middle of the field. There is written "broke" after "fullscreen", so I imagine you already know there is something that doesn't work, but in doubt I report it.
EDIT: I was wrong. Lots of the UI changes based on the zoom I'm using for chrome. That's why it was there. That's weird.
sadly those are part of itchio and I cant control them. You full screen the game (in the options menu) or download the standalone version to avoid them though.
Thank you for sharing! Is there a downloadable version for Mac too? Or do you plan to share it on steam, one day, for mac?
Oh, also, little thing: there are some mistakes in the descriptions here and there, like "it's" instead of "its" or "this" without "monster" following it. Maybe you already knew but I wanted to point it out. It's a very very cool game, if you plan on selling a more refined version it's important to hire an editor to check the descriptions.
I understand, thanks anyway ^^' I'm really enjoying it so far! The monster and enemies designs are great! And I LOVE the customization you can get during the run. Particularly the idea to choose a different buff when the monsters evolve is awesome.
My favorite monsters, for now, are:
- Mabek. It looks sooooo cool! And it's also pretty powerful (at least for what I've seen, I'm not following the meta for optimized runs). I like the Last Wish/Dying Breath theme and effects. Straight up from egyptian mythology. Love it.
- Seras. I did not like the first phase, but I like the hydra evolution a lot. The "Flanikin Manouver" is also very fun to play with Chip and Skimander. Swap team is cool.
- Skimander. Typhlosion + Axolotl for design?! Love it! And the swap is interesting. Not immediate to understand how to use it properly, but with Chip is a little simple combo that I enjoy playing.
- Gheist. SPOOOOKYYYYYYYYY
I'm sure I will love lots of other ones when I will see their final evos.
Thanks again for sharing it. Wish you good luck with the development! :D
Im glad you picked up on Mabek, theyre inspired by Ammit in egyptian myth :D. Swap team is one of my favorite concept builds, but Seras is def weak in its first stage(maybe too much).
Put this item onto my guy to make him 100 str and the tomb didnt open. when i first opened the event he didnt have 100 but i gave him a str instead. this event is already really hard to do so having it update the stat check constantly would be nice. like i have only achieved it once in my 100+ games.
hmm ill look into that, they already should update in response to using items (for instance if you eat all your food during the Help the Old Monster, it gets locked out). this is a good time for me to finally buff this event at the same time since the requires feel like they should warrant a better reward
very nice also i'm working on a tier list maker so that it may be easier for you get an idea of the meta. ill post the finished work here. i would suggest making a separate discussion for it so that people can post there.
i understand his power however i find him more of a annoyance then anything as i tend to follow a much more trinity style when making my comp. like the only time i enjoy using skimander is when i can get him a abilty replacement.
now one thing i think you havent noticied is the power of wyrmlet his two best forms are the str and balance ones. str one is my usual as it gives insane damage poetential and can easily make enemies have no mana.
ya'll really sleeping on my boy snek. like, before t3 he is kinda bad. but t3 is literally s tier. bruh give him hydrastrike and his poison goes through the roof. i've seen his poison doing hundreds. literally ripped through the final boss in seconds.
After playing again with it, I agree. It's pretty cool. I don't know if it's S tier or something like that (too soon to say), but for sure it's strong.
it was the dragon guy with the tail im pretty sure. i mean i would love to talk meta at some point as i will say supports are probably it. you may notice krog is in basically all my teams its because he is great scaling, healing (chrous), Aoe damage (slam), and can frontline decently well.
Did it again just to make sure it wasn't a fluke. only main issue is how weak the early game is. this time it was against the abyss borer (had to check compendium). my opinon on hunger seed has also changed i used to think it was terrible but now i see its actually very good.
oh uh, another thing pressing tab seems to open up some console,didya leave that in on purpose or is that unintended? (sadly can't figure out how to abuse it lmao)
Ive considered exploring that, the biggest hurdles are resolution and lack of hover functionality. It would require the way tooltips and dragging work to be completely overhauled
yea I think thatd be the only way, also tooltips would prob need repositioning to the opposite side of the screen cause right now monsters close to the edge the window overlaps where you would have to tap.
Scutter and Tizik got +4 mana regeneration early. Basically luck.
My core strategy to the game is to first get a small elite team up (start monsters to the max) instead of spamming eggs. Had fun in the endless mode in the old version sad that it is gone.
really impressive, I like seeing how each team is similar and different. Tuskal *miiight* be the strongest monster after seeing everyones winning teams.
Really glad to see this is still being updated, because I've thoroughly loved what's available here. Interesting that monster synergies aren't shown at the beginning of the game anymore.
Also worth noting that I'm almost at 100 runs (the vast majority of which were abandoned before a game over lmao) and I've only managed to find the elusive Chip ONCE. Even when I did I still didn't manage to even get it evolved at all. The search continues!
Are you playing on the download version? Theres a new update out 2 days ago. (synergies not appearing was a bug that was fixed, and Chip has entered the normal pool officially and will appear the same rate as everyone else now).
Edit hold up, Chip's spawn rate might only be normal in the Egg event but not the team select at the start, I'll need to investigate quick.
Double Edit: YOURE RIGHT HE WAS STILL EXLUDED FROM THE STARTING POOL OOPS, he was only added into eggs and the sense at the normal rate, putting out update right now
LMAO nice. I was wondering if there was something up with spawn rates.
One more thing to note: the new Time Keeper enemy continues to softlock the game when encountered for me, as it for whatever reason just breaks the UI.
yeah same for the 3 knight and poison guy fight and 3 archer and poison guy. basically any fight with 4 enemies is a instant loss if they happen before you get a aurite or an egg. i would suggest maybe doing what slay the spire does which is your first 3 fights are much easier.
yeah i feel like some of these normal fights are overtuned all the sudden. on turmoil i just ran into 3 axemen , a archer , stabber and scavenger. i still only have my starting team.
sorry about that, a few encounters accidentally got combined. Put out another quick update so they should be back to normal. If any still feel out of place let me know (One of the final zone 3 elites still looks pretty strong in my files).
Is there a way to support this game's development? It's genuinely one of my favorite games to play right now and I'd love to see it be the best it can.
thank you, reporting any iaaues/bugs/imbalances is a really helpful. I would one day like to get it on steam for a low price. with more features so keep an eye out if that sounds interesting :D
Ok another quick update addressing the issue with a late game battle that would softlock the game, as well as an issue that was causing some fights to spawn less enemies than intended
another bug in turmoil difficulty when you are in the last line to get to the boss and you just need to choose egg or evolutionary stone to go to him it gives a bug that you go straight to a fight the biggest problem is that you can't start the fight the screen is locked
one way to counteract that is by equipping him with an item that replaces his ability, like the Endless Quiver or the Radiant Tome. He do be liking eating his allies tho
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Minor bug report: I had the Lucky power. I clicked on the "reroll" icon to reroll the items in a chest. The icon disappeared but the items didn't change.
Ill look into it! There technically isnt anything stopping it from rolling the exact same items, though extremely unlikely lol
EDIT: ok the update that buffed the Sealed Tomb rewards is actually what broke it, rerolls dont do anything atm, but will be back in next patch
Omg, it could have been that! ahahah
I see, thanks!
Lv 5 Win!!! :DDD
My first lv 5 win! Yayyyy! Spooky Haunted Team for the win. And a full Technical team too!
I started with Woad and Gheist, which I love more and more the more I play, and the Haunted power helped a lot. I was not that lucky with the items (are the strong ones harder to find in lv 5 mode?), but I did find the Higgsomething Crest soon enough and slapped it on Woad to give back some dmg.
Later on I found my beloved Wyrmlet and the dmg ramped up from there. Finding Wyrmlet later is better than starting with it, since the first stage is quite fragile, very often. Later I found the Magus Hat and Wyrmlet benefitted a lot from it. And merged with the Repulsor gave a lot of Def to everyone!
Voss came close to destroy me, VERY close, but I snatched the win! :D YAY!
Lv5 is VERY hard, but it is supposed to be that way, so I think it's fine. There are some combinations that don't seem to work at that level though, at least without finding good items immediately.
Oh, it's good to mention that I did give almost every food to Woad and only later to Wyrmlet too, to ramp up its Int. Gheist was my good supportive buddy (even if it's technical, lol), but basically starved all the way XD But it's fine. It's a ghost, it doesn't need to eat! :P
Jokes aside, I really think Haunted team works quite well. And Gheist seems weak but it's not. Curse is very strong and comboes well with the Higgsomething Crest, making Woad a Judo Master using the enemies strenght against them XD
Love it. Very happy about this win.
This game rocks.
Well done, and not the type of team I was expecting for Calamity! None of the items were OP but they were all solid which I think is just as good
New Calamity Win and NO WOUNDS SUFFERED!!! B-)
Kabu, Chikia and Scutter!
I started with Chikia and Scutter for the Tactician and "just 'cause" and it went very well! This time I got very lucky with the items though, and the events were positive or neutral, so it was ok.
Even if it's aggressive, Scutter can take some blows. Later on Scutter and Kabu made the shield of the team while Chikia ramped up some dmg with the Finisher.
I was SO lucky I found not one but TWO Iron Will! XD I sacrificed Kabu 's and Chikia's Abilities but they were often immune to dmg, which was great.
One key decision was to give Twin Claw to Scutter, so that it could attack two enemies at the same time, for crowd control.
A good run. It's fair to note that, before this, I lost like 4 or 5 in the first zone XD
In calamity mode, it's often "die early or die at the end".
I was quite surprised to win this run. I did not think Chikia could work this well, but it did. Very often I had to divide the dmg the enemies did: a little bit to Kabu and a little bit to Scutter. Doing so, very often the two of them attacked different enemies, which was annoying and not optimal. Chikia helped with that redirecting the attacks.
Only towards the end I gave Chikia the Iron Will, because against the final boss it was not that important (I found the spiky dragon one).
Very happy ^^
I really like how different every team you post is :D
Thanks, I like to change stuff and try new things. Your game is very deep, it's very fun to find new combos. I hope I'm not bothering with my posts and comments. I usually binge-play games for some days before changing and now it's Vanguard Monsters turn :P I wanted to share my thoughts, both for the joy of sharing and as a thank you for putting this up on web for free.
I'm a game designer too (but for tabletop rpgs) and I'm always happy when people take time to give me some feedback, telling me what they like, what they would like to see, what doesn't work and what does work pretty well.
If I have time, maybe in a few days I'll make a "final" post with my general thoughts of the game, before disappearing or, at least, stop making this comment section my own notebook XD ^^''''
Thanks again! It's also very nice to see the developer(s?) take time to answer the comments! :D
Third Calamity Win! And PB time record for calamity.
I'll be brief: Started with Woad and Hydrim for nature combo and later on luckily found Mabek in a random egg (not chosen paying mana).
It was already strong with the mass healing of nature, but then Spooky got in and boy it was a good run. Not perfect like the other one, but I really find fun the spooky team, like already said. Mabek could be my favorite for design, and Woad for gameplay. It's very interesting to use.
Got lucky enough with the items too.
The spiky dragon final boss could almost do nothing! Too much healing!
In general, I feel that the meta on calamity requires builds that are not ALL aggressives. It just doesn't work. Or at least not for me. There is the need of some hard monster able to take dmg, or some combos that heal A LOT. Or something like that.
This team is very well balanced, I feel. Supportive, Aggressive and Technical, with Nature and Haunted.
And another Calamity Win B-))) I'm getting the hang of this hard mode now.
Magical team for the win.
I started with Karakai and Pyris for Magical combo and it went very well. Pyris can do some very good crowd control with its Ignite and Karakai takes dmg while lowering def and damaging around. Later on I was lucky enough to find Heart of the Sea and Scutter in an Aggressive Egg, so I had Aquatic too.
In general, it was very good. Good items, good combos. I feel like Scutter did not do that much, and the protagonists were Pyris and Karakai.
Karakai is really strong. I find it works well choosing "Calcify" and "Unleashed". The other abilities seem fine, but these feel better. Especially Unleashed.
Love this little Godzilla baby <3 It's one of my favorites for sure.
He's becoming too powerful, I need to add a harder mode lol
lol jk, Im already working on a new mode
Oh my god ahahah, a HARDER one?! XD Love it. This one is tough though! I swear! XD But I would be happy to accept the challenge!
karakai dies to poison enemies for me early on nearly always
Initially it happened to me too, but I saw that if you switch it at the right moment with another monster you can barely win without it dying. This happens very often, on calamity, for me. I put a "shield monster" to take most or all the dmg, I keep a strong dmg-dealer in the back and then, when the shield one is going to die, I switch them to avoid that. The poison is hella tricky because you have to switch them before, or divide the dmg.
I hate the little poison monsters. They are the worst XD
Very often, I find them more difficult than the "elite" ones.
Are there monsters with which you don't have this problem? Other bulky ones? Maybe Woad with a supporter that heals it? Healing is another strat I found that works well against them
Tuskal just shreds most things. With karakei both monster die, I too do the switch thing snail and bug tank are fine but with karakei I have to switch too early he simply is not as tanky against poison so both die.
Skimander frontrow damage scales insanely with speed not as holistic as tuskal but I think it can be more powerfull.
With my skimander builds I usually killed myself in recent runs either to the switch debuff or leeches because his damage was so insane.
Yeah, Tuskal is broken, I was thinking "monsters aside from it" XD
I don't know, I find Karakai very good in general, but against poison for sure Slagg and Kabu are easier to use thanks to their comebacks mechanic, I agree. But if you have someone that gives enough dmg, with Karakai, against anyone else Karakai really shines, tanking lots of stuff with its enormous Def.
Skimander I agree it's awesome! Tricky to use, but awesome. Love it with Chip to do Rumble dmg and stun around.
BUG REPORT
I was immortal. Lol.
Level 5 difficulty. Battle against the cannon boss who becomes stronger and stronger. I had Urso 3' stage with Shattershard. I chose "Shakeoff" as his 3' stage ability.
Basically, everytime I was hit by the cannon boss and I should have died, I didn't. My theory is that, even if it hit me with 500+ damage, the 25hp heal of Shakeoff activated before death, letting me staying alive indefinitely.
Here is some pics I snapped at the moment:
ahh that was an old bug I thought I fixed, I think I got it now
Question (bug?). The storm event gives you the option to lower 5% health to gain +1 Mana regen. When I choose it, I always lose more than 5%, if I'm counting correctly.
I had Chip with around 670 health and I lost around 124. Isn't 5% around 33& or something like that? Am I missing something? I did not have any item who gave it health. And this happened in the past.
Don't know if I'm bad at math or if the event is not working as written. In doubt, I report it.
oh no you are absolutely right, it was incorrectly doing -20%..........
Question: Are you planning on making a sub-reddit for the game? It could be fun :) I know you recently set up the discord and I was wondering if reddit was interesting to you.
no plans atm, we're still pretty small
Random Idea: I did not have the chance to use it but... Silent Vow + Ripper = Infinite Rip stack? Does it work that way? I never use Silent Vow because I understood it doesn't let you cast anymore (I think?), but reading the effect of Ripper gave me this idea. Dunno. Hope I can find them together and try to merge them during a run.
Yea, you will not cast while using silent vow unless you have other effects that generate mana such as Hydrim, or Energy Banner etc. That's a combo I had not considered but it sounds really awesome
Ooooh, now I understand. From the wording, I thought that silent vow "set the mana regen to 0" despite every possible bonus. So it just sets the base one. That's different. I was never using it because I thought it automatically and always block casting.
Uhm... I used Silent Vow while having the Magical combination, but it didn't work. The monster didn't gain mana. Is it right that way? I don't understand how it's supposed to work from the wording.
This is correct, Mana Regen is set to 0, even from other items. You can still gain mana through items and abilities that directly give it though. Like Energy banner says all adjacent monsters gain 2 mana, that is unaffected because it is not regen.
Ahhh now I understand. Mana regen and mana "gain" are two separate stacks. I see.
Is there a way to see how much mana regen a monster have? I still don't understand if there is. It could be handy to calculate how much time is needed to cast, sometimes, especially on calamity mode, where one mistake is fatal.
Currently its not displayed anywhere since it rarely changes. Everyone, allies and enemies, have a base of 3 mana per second tho.
Thread for my runs. I'll post some runs with random thoughts here, for feedback :)
A fun run indeed. I wanted to start with Parra and Karakai to try the Magical combination. And it's... magical! The +1 mana regen is great and the +10 dmg not bad at all with Parra's zephyr mechanic. Karakai is also very durable and with items like shattershard or what's it called is... amazing. So much dmg from its defense.
Very fun. Also easier than I thought.
I found Skimander later and I was not happy in the beginning (I love its mechanic and design, but I did not think it was gonna work with the first two monsters), but I made it work with a nice help: I merged the Hunger Armor with the Living Seed, so that it could heal everyone. Combo that with its ability to heal itself while in the backrow... well, heal everywhere! It's great.
I've already said it in another comment, but I repeat: I very often find myself ending with three final stage monsters. I struggle to use less than three and more than four. Does it happen to someone else?
Another Magical run, with Ignis and Parra. I found Krog later. In general, I enjoyed it less then the precedent one. It was more difficult, in the sense that it didn't combo that much between monster's effects. It was nice to have Parra's Tailwind help Ignis spread the fire, though.
Not much to say, except that Dragon Scale is amazing and Hunger Armor is very hard not to pick when I find it. That thing makes you immortal.
Oh, also, when I find the black snake pact dealer, I almost always choose the wisdom pact, because the other ones are hard to use. You have to have very specific teams for the other ones. Or at least this is what I feel.
So yea the general trend or meta atm is 3 tier 3 monsters. Im considering further buffing 4-monster synergies to open up the potential of larger teams, cause the sheer stats of tier 3 monsters is hard to pass up. Also Im glad to see magic teams too, theyre a fun challenge :D
Third run, third win. I'm getting the hang of it. Soon I will try harder difficulty modes.
Anyway, I wanted to try Urso, which is very weird, but also interesting. It does not seem that strong, and I don't think it's the best one, but its Gourmet or what's it called it's surprisingly strong on the long run. It is a risk, since you have to give everything to it, but damn if it becomes a murder machine. And a bulky one too.
I gave it a Vorpal Blade (+ Root because I had it, lol) and it hit HARD.
A team of heavy hitters, capable of taking blows. Myke Tyson squad basically. I only took a wound in the final battle against Voss.
Anyway, I still think Urso is not the greatest (and probably one of the worse, I think), but in general I think the game is pretty balance, from what I've seen. In the sense that no monster is absolutely useless or unplayable.
I have to try higher difficulties though.
Tuskal is just broken. Like... immensely broken.
I found not one, but two Pulverizer in the first 4 tiles of the run and I slapped them on Chip and Tuskal. Later on, I merged them in a Mega Pulverizer, gave Replica to Chip and BOOM, two monsters with Mega Pulverizer. Nothing stood a chance. Nothing. I lost one wound just because I chose to do so during an event, lol. Tuskal is OP. It just pulverized everything on its path. It's amazing. With a monster to take the few hits that pass through before Tuskal destroys everything, it's already strong, but it's also able to stand some blows by itself and becomes more powerful for that.
Just... woah.
For sure S tier. I'm simply speechless. I've already seen it in a past run, but this one just totally convinced me of its power.
DOUBLE MEGAPULVERIZER >:D
but yea tusk is in my sights for nerfs lol get those op runs in while you can lol
Ahahahah, ok got it. I figured as much. It's really fun, but yeah, a little too easy maybe.
This was a very interesting run. I wanted to try out Wyrmlet, which I was not very familiar with. Its first stage is quite weak, I feel, but damn if it grows. I instinctively raised up its Int since its active ability works with this stat, and I'm SO happy I did that. I can not be sure, but if the abilities you can choose when it evolves are always the same, I feel that Int could be the best option. Magical Acceleration + Power Overflow is great. On top of that it's magical, so if you pair it up you obtain even more mana regen.
And here is the sacred mega combo I used in this run: BONE RING + CIRCLET OF ACUITY!!! Wyrmlet just continuously casted. Countinuously. And with 150+ Int and Power Overflow it just kept destroying everything.
I won even after messing up my route and missing a Shard to upgrade Karakai.
Final Boss Note: Humble feedback. I think the tentacle final boss is the easiest one of the three. The spiky dragon and Voss are quite scary sometimes, but I've never had much trouble against cthulu's brother. But maybe there are some builds that suffer against it and I'm missing them by luck, dunno.
Anyway, very interesting indeed, Wyrmlet. I thought it was weak, since the first runs I could not go very far with him, but now that I'm getting the hang of the game, I understand its power.
I have to admit, I struggle a bit with Chikia. It looks strong on paper, but I don't know, it does not totally convince me. Maybe it's just not my thing. I have to try the swap combos with it, though.
I managed to win this run, but I lost two before to try Chikia. It seems very weak on the early stage. It can manage to do a lot of damage, but it's weird. Not easy to set up.
So with Chikia, 2 of his abilities lend towards larger teams. Both the active and the tier 3 abilities are stronger the more monsters you have on your side. Whether or not that is enough to make him feel as strong as the others Im not sure though :D
Uhm, good point. I'll try a larger team and see what happens. Anyway, I like the raptor/t-rex vibe from it, design wise :D
I'm having some trouble with level 4 difficulty. The closest I've been so far it's final boss against Voss, losing here. I even had double moonbeam on Karakai, but it was not enough. Damn XD
It's hard. I'll try again. I can't imagine the level 5! I'm not a hardcore roguelike gamer, but I humbly think I'm good enough with them (beaten all of Slay the Spire before and games as that).
I'll try harder!
My first level 4 win!
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But it was with Tuskal, lol. It's also my absolute record for ""speedrun"" and no wounds suffered. And I didn't even have great items. I had a Energy Charm + Ripper, which is not so much. I just gave lots of food to Tuskal, lol. Slagg also helped taking the bront of damage most of the time. I found egyptian croc god later by chance and I messed up: I did not have enough mana to get a superior mana crystal (I had 147 mana! Ncunwecuaicuebxevrincaienqvunveovwyaho!) so I got an egg and found Oadd or what's it called. But that did not matter because Tuskal, of course. Lol.
Yeah, Tuskal is broken... The most broken thing about it, aside from sheer strenght, is the fact that its ability gives Super. I could almost use it every battle, at a certain point, because it recharged very fast!
Yay! I managed to win level 4 difficulty without Tuskal and with a bizarre team. I struggle way more than with Tuskal, of course, but I feel it was a good strategy. I started with Mabek and Gheist and the Spooky ability helped a lot. I found Krogg later and used it as a shield and sacrifice for Mabek.
In the beginning I was planning on using Gheist as a sacrifice, since it's almost designed to die with its last ability (which I did not take), but Krogg's ability gets better if it misses health, so I wanted it to be the shield and take damage for the team. It worked well.
I always manage to find Circlet of Acuity, in some way or another. It's the legendary item I find most of the time. I dropped it on Gheist to curse a lot (in more than one way XD). It worked well against the spiky dragon final boss.
I love Spooky team. It's very fun to not care about monsters dying, or at least care a little bit less, thanks to the POWER OF SPOOKY NECROMANCY >:)
I'll count this as my actual first 4 lv win, since the last one I "cheated" with Tuskal
congrats, also spooky teams I think have a fun dynamic to try to play to. Seems like they might be good too :D
Minor "bug" report: Sometimes, when I find myself into a fight through an event or not from the map, I can't see the attack lines between enemies and monsters. Luckily, changing a monster's place makes me see them again. Nothing major, but I wanted to report it.
Also, minor feedback/suggestion: I would love an option to see the map even before starting a fight or choosing one of the options of the events, or buying/forging stuff. In a game like this planning ahead is important and sometimes I forget what the map looked like and I can't see it in those moments. I don't know if it's by design or if I'm missing the option to do so, but I don't like it very much, I have to say XD
ty for the report, I'll include the fix in the next patch. Ive been considering adding a way to see the map at any time, may have to finally do it
I also noticed that, in the fullscreen mode, the icon that shows the cooldown to swap monster is in the middle of the field. There is written "broke" after "fullscreen", so I imagine you already know there is something that doesn't work, but in doubt I report it.
EDIT: I was wrong. Lots of the UI changes based on the zoom I'm using for chrome. That's why it was there. That's weird.
yea I havent worked out appropriate adjustments for resolution yet so it breaks the ui. Its playable, just wrong and bad atm lol
sadly those are part of itchio and I cant control them. You full screen the game (in the options menu) or download the standalone version to avoid them though.
Sorry about before. I figured it out (I can be pretty stupid sometimes). I love your work so much!!!1!11!!
that's ok, I get frustrated by it too, also thank you!
Just did some quick bug fixes and just made a discord. Link at the top of discription.
Thanks for the fixes, but I lost all of the data :( My compendium and run histories are gone! Is it normal? Does it happen with every update?
I play on the web version
sorry but yea for the moment since theres no progress between runs the saves are temporary between updates
I understand. Well, it's here for free for us and it's awesome, so I think we really can't complain. Thanks again!
Veeeeery hard but veeeery fun. Well done! Love it!
Im glad youre enjoying it! :D
Thank you for sharing! Is there a downloadable version for Mac too? Or do you plan to share it on steam, one day, for mac?
Oh, also, little thing: there are some mistakes in the descriptions here and there, like "it's" instead of "its" or "this" without "monster" following it. Maybe you already knew but I wanted to point it out. It's a very very cool game, if you plan on selling a more refined version it's important to hire an editor to check the descriptions.
yea one day I'd like to put a larger on steam. In regards to mac, I dont have one to be able to properly make a build for it.
I understand, thanks anyway ^^' I'm really enjoying it so far! The monster and enemies designs are great! And I LOVE the customization you can get during the run. Particularly the idea to choose a different buff when the monsters evolve is awesome.
My favorite monsters, for now, are:
- Mabek. It looks sooooo cool! And it's also pretty powerful (at least for what I've seen, I'm not following the meta for optimized runs). I like the Last Wish/Dying Breath theme and effects. Straight up from egyptian mythology. Love it.
- Seras. I did not like the first phase, but I like the hydra evolution a lot. The "Flanikin Manouver" is also very fun to play with Chip and Skimander. Swap team is cool.
- Skimander. Typhlosion + Axolotl for design?! Love it! And the swap is interesting. Not immediate to understand how to use it properly, but with Chip is a little simple combo that I enjoy playing.
- Gheist. SPOOOOKYYYYYYYYY
I'm sure I will love lots of other ones when I will see their final evos.
Thanks again for sharing it. Wish you good luck with the development! :D
Im glad you picked up on Mabek, theyre inspired by Ammit in egyptian myth :D. Swap team is one of my favorite concept builds, but Seras is def weak in its first stage(maybe too much).
Put this item onto my guy to make him 100 str and the tomb didnt open. when i first opened the event he didnt have 100 but i gave him a str instead. this event is already really hard to do so having it update the stat check constantly would be nice. like i have only achieved it once in my 100+ games.
hmm ill look into that, they already should update in response to using items (for instance if you eat all your food during the Help the Old Monster, it gets locked out). this is a good time for me to finally buff this event at the same time since the requires feel like they should warrant a better reward
very nice also i'm working on a tier list maker so that it may be easier for you get an idea of the meta. ill post the finished work here. i would suggest making a separate discussion for it so that people can post there.
Skimander gets 5% damage for every speed you give him. Tizik can give skimander one speed per intelligence during the buff.
Kabu works well with krog for massive slams. The tree can give you two food every fight if you let the front die negating it with haunted.
i understand his power however i find him more of a annoyance then anything as i tend to follow a much more trinity style when making my comp. like the only time i enjoy using skimander is when i can get him a abilty replacement.
now one thing i think you havent noticied is the power of wyrmlet his two best forms are the str and balance ones. str one is my usual as it gives insane damage poetential and can easily make enemies have no mana.
The main thing Im noticing you guys agree on is that Tuskal is op and Gheist sucks xD also Tzizik is a solid 2nd place which makes sense.
ya'll really sleeping on my boy snek. like, before t3 he is kinda bad. but t3 is literally s tier. bruh give him hydrastrike and his poison goes through the roof. i've seen his poison doing hundreds. literally ripped through the final boss in seconds.
After playing again with it, I agree. It's pretty cool. I don't know if it's S tier or something like that (too soon to say), but for sure it's strong.
Support only win on turmoil. no wounds during final boss never even dropped below half.
Well done, could this be an end of the Aggressive meta? O: Which boss btw?
it was the dragon guy with the tail im pretty sure. i mean i would love to talk meta at some point as i will say supports are probably it. you may notice krog is in basically all my teams its because he is great scaling, healing (chrous), Aoe damage (slam), and can frontline decently well.
I may finally have to make a discord, I am very interesting in what mons people are favoring, and I suspect a few which might be too strong/weak
Did it again just to make sure it wasn't a fluke. only main issue is how weak the early game is. this time it was against the abyss borer (had to check compendium). my opinon on hunger seed has also changed i used to think it was terrible but now i see its actually very good.
New legendary speed item + Chikia speed average is amazing. leads to the entire team having like 50+ speed
How many times have I played? I think two hundred 😂
Pls make a mode where there is no end would be cool
YES
oh uh, another thing
pressing tab seems to open up some console,didya leave that in on purpose or is that unintended? (sadly can't figure out how to abuse it lmao)
lol indeed that is my secret console. it doesnt work here tho sry
are you planning on making a mobile/apk version? since it's only touch controls that could potentially work very well.
Ive considered exploring that, the biggest hurdles are resolution and lack of hover functionality. It would require the way tooltips and dragging work to be completely overhauled
tooltip on tap, drag on hold?
yea I think thatd be the only way, also tooltips would prob need repositioning to the opposite side of the screen cause right now monsters close to the edge the window overlaps where you would have to tap.
yeah that would work well!
oh no im a week late to the new updates also i like the new jars they have the best stats
Trying calamanity out.
Scutter and Tizik got +4 mana regeneration early. Basically luck.
My core strategy to the game is to first get a small elite team up (start monsters to the max) instead of spamming eggs. Had fun in the endless mode in the old version sad that it is gone.
Tuskal Carry with bulk tank partner.
This run was Tuskal with a chikita as partner.
really impressive, I like seeing how each team is similar and different. Tuskal *miiight* be the strongest monster after seeing everyones winning teams.
Tizik and Skimander got an insane syngery. Finally managed to get through with the team quite amazing to see it go.
Really glad to see this is still being updated, because I've thoroughly loved what's available here. Interesting that monster synergies aren't shown at the beginning of the game anymore.
Also worth noting that I'm almost at 100 runs (the vast majority of which were abandoned before a game over lmao) and I've only managed to find the elusive Chip ONCE. Even when I did I still didn't manage to even get it evolved at all. The search continues!
I've really enjoyed updating it as well :D
Are you playing on the download version? Theres a new update out 2 days ago. (synergies not appearing was a bug that was fixed, and Chip has entered the normal pool officially and will appear the same rate as everyone else now).
Edit hold up, Chip's spawn rate might only be normal in the Egg event but not the team select at the start, I'll need to investigate quick.
Double Edit: YOURE RIGHT HE WAS STILL EXLUDED FROM THE STARTING POOL OOPS, he was only added into eggs and the sense at the normal rate, putting out update right now
LMAO nice. I was wondering if there was something up with spawn rates. One more thing to note: the new Time Keeper enemy continues to softlock the game when encountered for me, as it for whatever reason just breaks the UI.
Hmm thats not good, I cant seem to get it to happen. Is there any chance I could get you to send me your log file?
hey the 4 archer normal fight in the first act is way too hard i have lost everytime to this fight no matter my starting team.
yeah same for the 3 knight and poison guy fight and 3 archer and poison guy. basically any fight with 4 enemies is a instant loss if they happen before you get a aurite or an egg. i would suggest maybe doing what slay the spire does which is your first 3 fights are much easier.
yeah i feel like some of these normal fights are overtuned all the sudden. on turmoil i just ran into 3 axemen , a archer , stabber and scavenger. i still only have my starting team.
sorry about that, a few encounters accidentally got combined. Put out another quick update so they should be back to normal. If any still feel out of place let me know (One of the final zone 3 elites still looks pretty strong in my files).
okay thank you it seems to be back to normal. thank you very much for the quick response.
Is there a way to support this game's development? It's genuinely one of my favorite games to play right now and I'd love to see it be the best it can.
thank you, reporting any iaaues/bugs/imbalances is a really helpful. I would one day like to get it on steam for a low price. with more features so keep an eye out if that sounds interesting :D
Ok another quick update addressing the issue with a late game battle that would softlock the game, as well as an issue that was causing some fights to spawn less enemies than intended
Had a pretty good run but was stuck here when the game gave me no way to start the fight
thank you, this image helped alot with tracking down the broken battle
Quick Bug Fixes
Fixed Chaos -1(Lull) & +1(Turmoil) Wounds being incorrectly calculated
Fixed Secondary Tooltips not showing on the team selector
Fixed Tzizik 2nd Stages’s mana cost being incorrectly higher than 1&3’s
Fixed Faceless’ silence being permanent if you lose the battle
Added Sounds and Visuals to Skirmisher's Misdirect
Increased Juggernaut's Mana by 5. (Takes slightly longer to cast now)
Found a bug. the mirror dudes who steal your ability will actually keep it if you don't kill them...
ty for the report, kinda cool and spooky but definitely a bug, just uploaded a fix
so when doing the selection at the start the roles and synergies don't appear. but if you put the monster onto the left it appears.
just fixed, good catch!
Thats odd, do you remember any other details? Like having a full party, etc? I havent been able to cause it to happen
when i choose turmoil difficulty and star the first battle i lose immedialely is just for me?
thanks for the report, it should be fixed now!
When tuskal only needs 10 mana so he has like 10 stacks of his buff on him. killed the boss in 15 seconds.
the base stats of said tuskal
it turns out the brain was the biggest muscle of them all
I keep getting the woad when I have low hp teams :(
one way to counteract that is by equipping him with an item that replaces his ability, like the Endless Quiver or the Radiant Tome. He do be liking eating his allies tho
This game is awesome
thank you :D
I believe in tank supremacy once again.
they wont let a few interdimensional horrors slow them down
Tier 4 haunted synergy lesgo
halloween came early
The best defense is a good offense. also tactical hydrim + super life force is good also.
lmao i just got stuck in the urso shake off loop. Please help i dont want to quit this run
Yeaaaa sorry that is fixed in the upcoming patch.
Its all good. It was actually funny watching the cannon do millions of damage and watch urso just shrugging it off
tip 1: git gud (its really hard)
tip 2: wyrmlet and vine plant thing are a good combo
tip 3: mana generation is everything
tip 4. urso is funny?
Also what is vine plant thing
is gora?
yeah its gora, i like it to damage tank once evolved
ok thank u
did i make you proud?